Positively impacting senior living with Lucas McCurdy

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Wow. That’s a really positive way to start things, Tom.

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Well, that one’s obvious.

Tom Houghton:

Well, but if you’re just joining in, Lucas, do you know what kind of car I drive? I guess I just spoiled our guest there. Man.

Paul Wurth:

You did.

Tom Houghton:

That’s okay. Well, spoiler alert. Hey, our guest joining us today is Lucas McCurdy, he’s the owner of The Bridge Group Construction. Lucas, welcome to the podcast.

Lucas McCurdy:

Thank you guys so much.

Tom Houghton:

Sorry that I spoiled that a little bit, that you are our special guest today, but just to put you on the spot at the very beginning here. Do you happen to know what kind of car I drive?

Lucas McCurdy:

No clue.

Tom Houghton:

See? And I think most people out there, we haven’t mentioned it in a while, I don’t think.

Paul Wurth:

In a while. I thought it was-

Tom Houghton:

Paul’s got lots of nicknames for me.

Paul Wurth:

Yep.

Tom Houghton:

Do you want to go through a few?

Paul Wurth:

Well, Hollywood Tom.

Tom Houghton:

Okay.

Paul Wurth:

Tesla Tom.

Tom Houghton:

Ah.

Paul Wurth:

That should give that one away. Tommy Electronic.

Tom Houghton:

That’s a new one. Beep bop boop.

Paul Wurth:

I like that one.

Tom Houghton:

That’s good.

Paul Wurth:

But you’re into those things.

Tom Houghton:

Sure.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah. I think Hollywood Tom and Tesla Tom is best. We’ll stick with it.

Tom Houghton:

So Lucas, I think you probably know the answer then.

Lucas McCurdy:

Okay, is it a Tesla?

Tom Houghton:

There you go. It is a Tesla.

Paul Wurth:

Tom loves all things technology.

Tom Houghton:

That’s true.

Paul Wurth:

Loves Elon Musk, Mosk, what’s his name?

Tom Houghton:

Musk.

Paul Wurth:

Musk?

Tom Houghton:

Yeah.

Paul Wurth:

Isn’t he coming up with something today?

Tom Houghton:

Battery Day.

Paul Wurth:

Battery Day.

Tom Houghton:

Well, by the time this airs, this’ll be-

Paul Wurth:

Yeah, go back on YouTube and see how-

Lucas McCurdy:

It’ll be already outdated, Battery Day.

Tom Houghton:

Battery Day 2.0.

Lucas McCurdy:

He’s going to try to throw the battery, and it’s going to break when it’s not supposed to.

Tom Houghton:

Oh, hilarious. All right. Wow, we got really off track there. Sorry, Lucas. So joining us today is Lucas, we’re so excited to have you on and we want to talk about your business, and we always ask first kind of the genesis of the name of the company. So you are The Bridge Group Construction, and tell us what you do there.

Lucas McCurdy:

Absolutely. Well, thank you, Paul and Tom, for having me on. I’ve been listening for a while, been a Buildertrend user for a while, it’s helped with my startup company, so I’m really excited to be on. Thank you guys. So, The Bridge Group Construction was out of a genesis of really a philosophy of me working in the senior living industry. It’s an industry I’ve just become very, very passionate about; it’s the whole “why” behind me even starting the company. And a part of that why was a long-term desire to want to change, positively impact, and change outcomes for older adults in America.

Lucas McCurdy:

One of the ways I’ve been able to do that is through a relationship with a peer in the industry who is actually a developer and an operator. He’s my co-host on the “Bridge the Gap” podcast that we have. And it’s just created this conversation around bridging the gap, and what can we do to change the narrative and change outcomes and positively impact older adults in America. And that whole idea of being a bridge, one point is connected to another point, I really found that that was something that really resonated with me, and I thought there was something that I wanted to base a philosophy around starting my new construction company.

Tom Houghton:

Fantastic. We just kind of talked about the “why” of your business with True North Construction. So I love that we’re kind of continuing this thread here, and this discussion about your passion about something. And so you created something around your passion. I mean, that’s a win-win right there.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah, I mean it helps probably drive you every day, right?

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah.

Paul Wurth:

The whole “why” behind it. It’s interesting, so you said the words start up and your new business a couple of times, so you’re kind of taking this startup mentality to this new business. Is that kind of the idea? It seems like that.

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We are about a year and a half into it.

Paul Wurth:

Okay. So a lot of startups are, there’s a problem out there, we have a solution. So what’s the problem, and what’s your solution?

Lucas McCurdy:

Well, so for me, when I look at the commercial construction space, there are a lot of contractors that do commercial construction, they do multifamily, hotels, restaurants, and I’ve done all those things in my past. I’m a third-generation construction entrepreneur, so I’ve been around a family business, and I’ve done a lot of different things, but I felt lost in a lot of ways servicing those other verticals. But when I started to work in senior living is when I really felt like, “This is my place. This is something I can really put my head and my heart behind.”

Lucas McCurdy:

And so when I looked at the competition in the space, this industry has very specific needs, so to speak. So if you’re going to go in and renovate an existing senior living community, there’s just stuff that you need to know. And I know them because of the mistakes that I’ve made from not knowing them over the years, right? And so I’ve just made an effort to learn, and shape and create a culture, and a team around people that totally understand exactly what we’re walking into, and we’re walking into senior’s homes, we’re walking into older adult’s homes. And so I’m trying to create a service, a construction service company, that specifically caters to the senior living industry differently than a generic general contractor typically would.

Paul Wurth:

Wow. Very well said. I mean, it makes sense. I mean, we’ve been doing this for 14 years of the business and you’re right, there’s general contractors that do new homes, remodels, and they’re definitely in their lane. And then there’s commercial. Then you do have this quasi area where a contractor can be doing multifamily, and multifamily is this umbrella of a lot of things, could be apartments, could be whatever. But then in that is this niche of senior home living, and that, I think I heard that this… Don’t, well, you’ll have to quote me.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah. We’re going to have to quote you.

Paul Wurth:

But fact check this.

Tom Houghton:

Okay, so check the show notes.

Paul Wurth:

Something like 10,000 Americans turn 65 every day.

Lucas McCurdy:

Bingo.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah?

Paul Wurth:

Is that close to right?

Lucas McCurdy:

That’s right.

Tom Houghton:

Oh, wow. There you go. Bonus points for Paul.

Paul Wurth:

Look at that. That’s a market that’s just pretty heavily getting populated every day, right?

Tom Houghton:

It’s growing for sure.

Paul Wurth:

That’s awesome.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah.

Paul Wurth:

So, no, that makes a lot of sense.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah. I guess I’m curious to know more about your background. I mean, obviously you talked a little about the struggles there that you faced and now you’re turning that into… You’re taking what you’ve learned in the past and applying it to the future now. So what are some of the challenges that you faced previously that you’re now reconciling as you’re going forward?

Lucas McCurdy:

Great question. It was probably about six years ago when I was just really trying to make my mark. I was primarily in a, I would say, quasi-leadership role in a family business, and really focused on sales and marketing, and I just couldn’t make the right relationships servicing these other verticals. And again, I go back to what I said earlier, as I started to experience going into senior living, so we’re talking about different care types, assisted living, independent living. You’ve got active adult, skilled nursing, dementia and memory care, all of these things were very confusing to me, and I was very intimidated going in. And I guess I felt like, in general, the public really felt the same way about this. But this is something that we’re actually all going to face, God-willing, we get old and we make it that far.

Lucas McCurdy:

We have aging parents, we have aging grandparents, and all these different relatives. And I started to meet the people that were actually doing this work. And I just fell in love. I said, “Look at these people, look what they’re doing. These people are fantastic.” I had no idea. And it generated this passion for me to want to be an advocate for this space, so much so that I’ve changed the entire trajectory of my career, and my family, to start this company, The Bridge Group Construction. We only do senior living, and it’s what drives us.

Lucas McCurdy:

You talked about your “why.” I get to wake up every day, not to be a general contractor, which there’s nothing wrong with that, and there’s plenty of people that do that. Lucas McCurdy just didn’t want to do it that way. I get to wake up every day to positively impact the lives of older adults through my construction company, and it’s been a fascinating journey.

Tom Houghton:

Wow. I’m pumped right now. I’m feeling it. I love the passion of this. So we talked, obviously you’re facing challenges. And I heard you say before, you compare construction projects to a thousand-piece puzzle. Can you talk a little bit more about what makes you, I mean, obviously I think we all agree, there’s a lot of moving parts in construction, but how does that influence your strategy when you approach these complex puzzles?

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah. And I know that you guys have a lot of new homebuilders that follow you guys and are using Buildertrend. And as I said earlier, I’m a Buildertrend user, it’s actually, from day one, helped us get to where we need to get to by utilizing Buildertrend. Going back to that thousand-piece puzzle, Buildertrend is our solution to that in so many ways, and it’s really just been across our whole team, and our customers, love it too.

Lucas McCurdy:

And that’s one of the things that I think a lot of your listeners, the new homebuilders, the remodelers, the renovators, this stuff is complicated. And for me, doing this around immunocompromised people, now we have COVID, it’s a whole new world of doing all of this work inside senior living. And as you guys know, we’re going to talk about COVID, senior living, this kind of not really talked about industry, is now a world conversation, around nursing homes and senior living.

Lucas McCurdy:

I mean, I just watched an interview with President Trump, they were talking about nursing homes and assisted living and things like that. It’s like, this is at the top of the ladder here that we’re having this conversation. And so, it’s complicated. If you want to go into a home and just paint the walls, that’s one thing, you can rearrange some things. You want to just simply paint the walls inside an assisted living community, it’s 80,000 square feet and corridors and all that kind of stuff, it’s actually complicated. There’s a whole process behind it. And so when you add a full renovation involving demolition, space changes, redesigns, or re-imagining spaces and things like that, it gets very complicated. So we utilize Buildertrend to help us organize all of those details.

Tom Houghton:

Fantastic. So you’re doing new builds as well as remodeling of old facilities?

Lucas McCurdy:

No, actually I focus 100% on existing community renovations. That’s my whole value prop.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah. And so you’re having to deal with the difficult part. Obviously, if you’re going out and starting something new, you can kind of build from the ground up, but if you’re having to go in, you’ve got even more complications, like you just mentioned, doing that.

Lucas McCurdy:

Exactly.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah. One interesting element that you don’t have in residential construction is probably your sales, right? I mean, in residential new home, remodel construction, you’re probably dealing with an individual or a couple, right? They’re building a home or doing a remodel for their residence. Is the makeup of the people you’re selling to like sometimes a board of individuals? Is it a group that you’re having to sell to? Is that a different dynamic you have to deal with too?

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah, Paul, you’re onto something there. It can vary. So in the senior living industry, there’s actually two industries, there’s a private pay industry, which is just basic, people just paying out of pocket or using some insurance to pay their rent or their leases for these spaces. But then there’s also a not-for-profit side of the industry, which they may pay similar ways, but that’s more of the religious-based, religious-affiliated type, senior care homes or senior living type scenarios, and they largely have boards. Now for the private pay part of the industry, we’re talking about REITs, we’re talking about private equity as the landlord, and then they utilize operators to manage the building, from all the aspects of the building. So it can actually have a variety of layers that you’ve got to “sell to, or talk to, or build relationships with” just as you would in any other commercial real estate asset class.

Paul Wurth:

Interesting, the different layers there.

Tom Houghton:

And it definitely is part of that big puzzle, complicating the process. Obviously you add more people into it, like a board, it makes the whole process a little bit more challenging.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah. So let’s talk about where you’re at today. Where are you building, just locally? Where are you guys located?

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah, I’m located in the DFW, so the Dallas, Texas, area. And my project management team, we’re kind of spread out. Our main markets are DFW, Austin, San Antonio, Houston, but we cover the state of Texas.

Paul Wurth:

Big state. And so, do you feel like your five, 10 year goal would be to get more regional? Or even national? Is that in the plans, or?

Lucas McCurdy:

That’s a great question. So my goal is to stay hyper-focused on Texas.

Paul Wurth:

OK.

Lucas McCurdy:

That is a very determinative goal.

Paul Wurth:

Right, because as you move out of state, there’s other things you’ve got to figure out, regulations I’m sure. So Texas has probably got enough space for you to hyper-focus.

Tom Houghton:

There’s a lot of space in Texas.

Paul Wurth:

It’s a big old place.

Tom Houghton:

A lot of space. Yeah. Let’s talk about your team a little bit, because obviously we know you, Lucas McCurdy. Tell us about who else is part of your team and what that process looks like as you’re out running your business.

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah. So I’ve learned just like probably all entrepreneurs have learned, I have strengths and I have weaknesses. And so I’ve made a big effort to try to, even at an early stage, invest in the people that I’m hiring, even when it may be a stretch, right? This is about delaying certain monetary goals that I have, right? But I’ve been able to align myself with people that agree with my philosophy, that also have a passion for this space. And it’s really helped me to scale, to fill the weaknesses that I have from a construction standpoint and running a business standpoint, because as you guys know, and many of your listeners know that are entrepreneurs, you just have to wear so many hats. And so to your point, Tom, it’s hiring the right kind of people early on and investing in that and delaying my personal monetary gains is how I’m actually growing the company.

Tom Houghton:

That’s smart because you can obviously only grow it so far by yourself, right? I think all solopreneurs know that, right? So you can only take it so far, then you’ve got to bring along some other people. And I think that is a challenge, obviously in our industry, is finding those right people. So maybe if you don’t mind me pushing on this a little bit, I’m curious, what processes or what thoughts did you do? Did you look at like personality testing? Something like the Gallup Strengths, or like Enneagram, anything like that?

Lucas McCurdy:

I’m laughing because when my team listens back to this, they’re going to be like, “Oh, that Enneagram again.”

Tom Houghton:

Yep. It’s everywhere. You can’t get rid of it.

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah. Enneagram was actually a big unlock for me personally. I’ve done the Myers-Briggs, the DISC test, all that kind of stuff. It left me kind of, it satisfies for a certain amount of time, you’re like, “Oh yeah. High I, okay, yeah, no, I get it. That’s cool.” And then it’s like, “I have no idea what that means.” So at least that was my experience. The Enneagram was something I was able to understand a lot more. So I don’t necessarily hire based on personality analysis, but I’m using it to develop a culture inside the team that we currently have, and I have rolled out the “paid for” Enneagram tests with my team and have been utilizing that, just kind of study it to understand how they want to be communicated with and how they want to be worked with.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah. That’s crucial. I mean, like you said, you can obviously hire off of these things, but really, it comes down to the day-to-day interactions, right? That’s what makes a team great is how they communicate with one another, how they work off of one another, how they cover each other’s weaknesses and really push the team forward. So, that’s some good stuff.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah. You mentioned how your team wants to be communicated with, do you guys do anything special as it relates to communication and collaboration? How have you sort of built that? Again, you’re a year and a half in, how have you built it to date and what does the future look like for that?

Lucas McCurdy:

Yeah, well, we’re a tight-knit group, and as probably most of your listeners know, being a general contractor, we don’t have on-staff painters and drywallers, and all this kind of stuff, right? These are our subcontractors. But for us, since our work is so specialized, these subcontractors that we use day in and day out, they really feel like we’re a part of our team. Because we use some specialized people, specialized services, just because the expectations for doing this type of work inside these communities is very, very different.

Lucas McCurdy:

And now, in COVID right now, we’ve had to overhaul everything that we do, for obvious reasons, right? And I imagine a lot of the home remodelers are having to do the same thing too. But when you start to enter into these spaces, where you’ve got, the average age in assisted living is 87. This is a prime target for viruses, and pathogens, and things like that. It’s a very sensitive population. And so we’ve had to be very, very careful and implemented layers upon layers of safety measures for us to do the work that we’re doing. I don’t know if I answered the question, I probably got off onto a tangent, but it’s definitely relevant to what we’re doing right now.

Tom Houghton:

Sure. Yeah, you were just mentioning implementing these processes into it, right? So obviously you’ve got to be adaptable to your current climate and obviously your industry specifically, your area of our industry in construction, specifically focused on senior living, has faced some definite hurdles in this season that we’ve been in. And it sounds like you’re handling the hurdles very well, which means obviously, that’s kudos to you, but also sounds like kudos to the team.

Lucas McCurdy:

We’ve got a great team, and a great, great group of subcontractors, and it has not been easy. I tell our listeners, I imagine everybody in construction has been hit during this season that we’ve had, and we’re no different. There was a very deliberate time of shutdown. I remember it vividly, and we’re just now starting to re-engage with these projects that we had on deck for us. So we’ve been able to maintain our team. We’ve been able to bring everybody together, back together, and get back to work. So I’m very optimistic about the future.

Tom Houghton:

That’s awesome.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah. It sounds like you have a great deal there, and really your approach seems just super unique and a breath of fresh air. I mean, I think that kudos to you for the way you’re approaching why you’re in the industry you’re in, but also how you’re approaching your team and creating a culture, which I think we’ve talked about a lot. It’s hard to create a culture because it’s kind of hard to define what culture is. It pretty much starts at the top, so kudos to you. You had mentioned your podcast. What would people expect to hear from that podcast? Why would you do it? We ask ourselves that all day. Why did we start this thing again?

Lucas McCurdy:

Well, so our mission on the “Bridge the Gap,” the senior living podcast, is to educate, influence, and inform. And so we’re trying to be the tide that rises all boats. And it’s been fascinating to me, I tell people I’ve had a front-row seat to basically get a master’s degree in senior living for free, because I’ve been privy to all of these conversations. We’ve had upwards of 150 episodes so far, and they’ve all been interview-based, similar to what you guys are doing right now. And so I’m interviewing these giants in the industry, from the top all the way down to the community level. And I’ve been able to moderate some of these conversations. I’ve learned so, so, so much. And so anybody that would be interested in what the senior living industry is, who the people are, and what we’re talking about, if people are interested in this industry, the “Bridge the Gap” podcast would be a great place to start.

Lucas McCurdy:

I’m a big, big advocate. I’ve been blown away by our digital media platform and what it’s turned into, and the types of people that it has reached. Y’all might find this interesting, so we got a call or an email actually, from the Esteem Program at Notre Dame, which is like the elite of the elite at Notre Dame. And they said, “Hey, we just wanted you to know that there’s a lot of people in this group that are interested in healthcare and senior living in gerontology. We have been using your podcast as a part of our curriculum, and we want to talk to you further.” And we were like, “You’ve got to be kidding me. I can’t believe that.” And we’ve interviewed the students there and had some conversations with them, we’ve actually helped them get job placements within the industry. And so I think the senior living industry is something that is really relatively unknown and mostly misunderstood. And so our platform is trying to be a voice to bring some clarity to something that’s hard to understand.

Tom Houghton:

Love it.

Paul Wurth:

Really, really awesome. I don’t want to put you on the spot, but I’m going to. If you could say, this is the number one misconception of this industry, or this is the number one thing that’s misunderstood of this industry, for just like the general populace, what would that be?

Lucas McCurdy:

Well, I think this kind of like word analogy, you see these programs where they do like the man on the street with the microphone and they kind of walk at the people and like, “Hey, what do you think about this? When you think about this?” So if we were to go outside now, and take a microphone, with our masks on obviously, right? [crosstalk]. And said, “Hey, what do you think about senior living?” I think the majority of people would conjure some sort of a negative experience. They will have a negative feeling about it.

Lucas McCurdy:

Most people think, when they think senior living, they think 1950s institutional nursing home. They think that’s where people go to die. It could not be further from the truth. These are resorts, many of them, it’s congregate care, it’s actually a fantastic way to age, and it’s the biggest solution to a major problem in an older population, which is social isolation. And so you have an older group of Americans that are at home, their spouse may have passed, and it’s a very emotional decision to transition into senior care. It’s a very emotional decision. But I can say, I go inside these communities, and I have done this for the past 10 years, and one of my favorite part is interacting with the seniors that are there, the residents, and talking to them. And they thrive, they have friends, they have activities, they have everything that they want. And so I just think it’s a big misconception from the general population.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah. He had me at resort, actually.

Paul Wurth:

Yeah, I was like, hold on a second, how old do you have to be?

Tom Houghton:

We’re going next week. Let’s go. I love that you brought up the whole isolation side of that, because that’s such a crucial thing. Just, in my mind, it’s just sparking, of course I love technology, I’m thinking about like FaceTime and all these technologies that have helped bring us all together. Like Zoom, we’re obviously zooming with you right now.

Tom Houghton:

I want to end on this note here and just kind of bring it down on technology. You mentioned, obviously you used Buildertrend before and I thought maybe we’d start a new segment today, because today seems like a good day to do a new segment. But if you remember, because obviously you started using Buildertrend a little while ago, what would you say is the thing that you started first in Buildertrend? Just, again, for you who are out there thinking like, “Hey, I want to implement technology into my business and it’s going to make the world better,” like you said. What was the first thing that you started with?

Lucas McCurdy:

Gosh, it’s hard to even picture, place, because we saw all these features, all come together. I kept waiting for like this kind of like, “but you can’t really do this.” I kept waiting for that to come up and I’m like, “We could do all of this, with this? Like what?” It blew my mind. And so we immediately, very quickly, started using everything. But I will say, so probably from my customer’s standpoint, they love the daily logs and the information that they get delivered to them every single day. So I can’t, since I’m not a home builder, I can’t speak to that, but I’ll tell you, in the commercial real estate space, you have people located everywhere. They’re not at the community, they’re not at the job site, and so you have this chain that it’s got to go through, and there’s a constant battle between gathering information, and who knows what, and who said what.

Lucas McCurdy:

We’re able to control that narrative and get our customers that information on a daily basis. It has eliminated so much back and forth, and so much kind of like, “What are they doing? I haven’t heard from them in a while. The doggone general contractor is a bum.” It’s gone, it’s completely gone.

Paul Wurth:

That’s awesome. Yeah. I think that’s probably the central theme of all users of Buildertrend. Honestly, it is. I don’t care what industry you’re in, it’s just sort of that ball in court, who said what, when, cover your own.

Tom Houghton:

Rear end.

Paul Wurth:

Assets.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah.

Paul Wurth:

I didn’t curse. All right, well that’s great. I mean, Lucas, this has been super enlightening. You can tell your passion in this industry, which I think is just really refreshing for Tom and I to see. So kudos to you, man. I will say one thing, because you brought up technology. We have a company here in Omaha, LifeLoop, they’re kind of a friend of Buildertrend and this is their whole thing, so I’m going to tease that, check out LifeLoop, ourlifeloop.com. It’s a connection between seniors who are in a senior community and their families, and sort of it’s taken that FaceTime idea, on steroids I guess, you can kind of track everything. So not more of a time right now to check that out, but ourlifeloop.com, a Nebraska company.

Tom Houghton:

We’ll put it in the show notes too.

Lucas McCurdy:

They’re a great company, I know them well.

Paul Wurth:

Oh, really? Good.

Lucas McCurdy:

Yes.

Tom Houghton:

Great group. Great story. Yeah. It’s a really good story. And obviously, don’t forget to check out Lucas’ company. I know you’re really big on LinkedIn, so you can “in” request? What is it?

Paul Wurth:

Is that not LinkedIn? Connect.

Tom Houghton:

You can connect. That’s right.

Paul Wurth:

I’m going to connect with Lucas right now.

Tom Houghton:

Yeah, so we’ll put that in the show notes as well. We’ll put your LinkedIn profile in there that people can reach out to you if they’ve got any more questions about senior living. Lucas, again, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing your passion and your experience in this industry. It’s super exciting to hear, and we just love your mission of continuing to rise the tide across the entire industry. We love people, businesses, passionate people who are excited about doing that, so keep it up.

Lucas McCurdy:

Thanks Paul. Thanks Tom. I’m a big fan. Thanks for having me on the show.

Paul Wurth:

I appreciate you.

Tom Houghton:

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Paul Wurth:

Appreciate you.